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Wednesday, September 01, 2010
Rebecca Droeger

As the world continues to slip into further chaos and depravity, it becomes more and more exhausting to argue with the opposing viewpoint.  It seemed that not so long ago, I could somewhat agree with liberal thinkers on some subjects.  Nowadays, we are so polarized on our positions that we cannot seem to find any middle ground for any real debate.

Even when it comes to debate, I oftentimes see the other side resort to name-calling when their argument doesn’t seem to work:  “you bunch of tea-bagging, racist, rednecks!  You just can’t stand that we have a black President who doesn’t cow-tow to every little Christian tradition we have.  You’re so intolerant, all you can do is ‘oppose’ any idea we have that will fix this country.  Republican!  All you do is bend to the old, stodgy white-guy way of thinking…” and so on.

Last week, I had the pleasure of talking to both a Moderate and a Liberal.  Although they were completely different conversations, they both had something to do with the Ground Zero Mosque..a hem…the Muslim Cultural Center.

The Moderate could not understand why the media kept whipping up the frenzy surrounding the building of this Cultural Center.  She said no one was even opposing the idea until some woman nut job started blogging about it.  She also made a point that the Cultural Center was no different than a Jewish one nearby and that it was not across the street from Ground Zero like the media said; instead, it would be a couple of blocks away.

She kept insisting that it was a Cultural Center and not really a mosque; to which I said, “yes, but there will be a mosque in it.”

Of course, I came back with “well, what about the family of the victims of 9/11?  Couldn’t they build it any other place than so close to Ground Zero?”

She came back with, “but they’re not the same type of Muslims that ran their planes into the World Trade Center Towers.  The guy who is in charge of it is moderate, and he said the goal is to build peace.  What better way to build it than if showing young Muslims of the destruction caused by Jihad?”

Although the conversation had to end before I could really get into the whole reasoning of why this was a bad idea, I did get in “look up the name of ‘The Cordoba Initiative.’  It is anything but a peaceful endeavor.

Later, the topic bothered me so much that I had to do some digging just to be sure I was not out of my mind.  At first, I did a Google search of the proposed site of the Cultural Center; and it came up with a bunch of articles of why the right-wing is so prejudice.  Yahoo did not fare much better; but I at least found the proposed location.

The location is actually two blocks away from Ground Zero.  Since it will be 13 stories, it will be visible over the other buildings in the way if you were to stand at one of the barricades facing the position of the Cultural Center.  Of course, Ground Zero will be visible to those in the Cultural Center standing near the top floors.

And, whenever something takes the place of what lies on top of Ground Zero now, the Cultural Center will be visible to the new structure.

So, I decided to e-mail my findings to my Moderate friend.

During the course of our discussion, one of our sticking points was also the timing of the media blitz on the subject.  I told her the story broke much earlier in the year; but she contended that the recent frenzy centered around the crazy woman’s claims.

In response, I wrote:

News of Imam Rauf wanting to build the mosque/cultural center broke back in May of this year (I'm not sure if it was earlier).  There were 3 sites he was looking at, and a couple were right across the street from Ground Zero.  The building he purchased is the old Burlington Coat Factory, which is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero.  They are proposing building it 13 stories (which is a significant # in Islam).  If you were to stand at the Ground Zero construction barricades, the Cultural Center  would be visible once built because I looked at the buildings around it and it would stand taller than the buildings around there (via street maps on MapQuest).  Of course, it would definitely be visible whenever they build something at Ground Zero itself.

Imam Rauf has been on programs where I have heard him say that America was no better than the terrorists that brought down the towers (a speech in Australia in 2005).  He said "We tend to forget in the West that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims."

I would never dream of saying that in defense of a Christian killing in the name of God…

If someone hurt Nicole on purpose and I got angry with that person and killed that person; I would expect to have to deal with the law despite if I saw it as justifiable or not.  If the person that hurt Nicole was a police officer or soldier, do you think the [authorities would] like my excuse "well, police officers have a lot more blood on their hands than I do?"

Imam Rauf also supports Sharia Law, which is a form of theocracy to where Islamic religious leaders would be in charge of law.  This is the same law that supports stoning a woman to death for adultery, cutting off the hands of thieves, etc.  I'm sure you know what Sharia Law is, but I did not know if you knew this guy supports it.

The title of the Cultural Center is also suspect as it's the Cordoba Initiative.  Cordoba is where Islam built a mosque over a ruined Christian Church and declared it "conquered" territory (as a monument to the defeat of the infidel).

Also, we have no idea where this guy is getting his funding.

Finally, it's really in poor taste.  Extremist Islamists will see it as a victory shrine.  It may not "just" be a mosque, but there will be a mosque inside it.  Once a mosque is built, extremists see the Cultural Center as occupied territory; and will forever declare it as their own.

Then, I added some research from one of Jack’s former articles Ignorance, The Higher Moral Ground:

The Koran makes up about 16% of the Islamic canon -- the remaining 84% of Islamic doctrine is derived from the Sira and Hadith. The Hadith devotes 20% of its text to jihad, whereas 75% of the Sira's doctrine revolves around jihad.

Sura 5:51 in the Koran says, "O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."


"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare them for each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay zakat (tithe) then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is merciful, forgiving." (Sura 9:5)

She never did talk to me about it again; so I have no idea if she really absorbed the information, agrees with it, or if she prefers to agree to disagree.

My next encounter with the other side really was not an argument so much as statements from both sides.  On his FaceBook page, my cousin posted a link to Jon Stewart in one of his comedy routines.  In it, Jon picks apart Fox News for drawing conclusions about Imam Rauf based on contributions received by possible terror groups.

Jon found it ridiculous that Fox would tear apart Imam Rauf when Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal  is one of their parent company’s (News Corporation) largest contributors.

In response to him, I actually said something to the effect that I heard Alwaleed bin Talal bragging before that he had Fox change one of its news headlines on terrorism.  I had heard it from an author against Sharia Law that had commentary on a Christian radio station.

Of course, I added that I thought the routine was funny, and that I love my cousin, even though he is way liberal.

He couldn’t resist the urge to respond.  He said something that made me practically spit out my soda.  He said “Reality has a liberal bias.”

With that, I had to say “That's funny, 'cause I'd say just the opposite.”

Even though that was the extent of our dialogue on the subject, I decided to research the matter a little more; because I thought maybe the news that the Saudi Prince could have been old.  I knew he was the guy who tried to donate $10 million in disaster relief for the World Trade Center and that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani turned him down because the Prince said it was on the condition that the US “re-examine its policies in the Middle East.”

My research returned some interesting findings.  The Saudi Prince only owns 7% total of News Corp; which is completely interesting because it’s not enough of a percentage to make any real voting difference.  I find it fascinating that people can make ascertations that the Saudi Prince is the second largest owner; even though it’s true, it really has no bearing on the direction of the company’s policies.  The Prince isn’t even on the board of directors or any of the committees.

Folks, Romans 1:28 seems to be unfolding right before our eyes every day.

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" Romans 1:28

Really, there does not seem to be any other explanation for the vast polarization of positions other than supernatural.

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