I don't doubt that some in this generation have literally had fellowship with demons passing themselves off as "god" and / or "gods".

Some time back, I had a fellow write to me trying to market his new age / scientology type book. I had a running discussion with the guy when I wrote back to him warning him not to mock God and sharing the Gospel with him.

At one point the guy was telling me about some "person" he considered to be the messiah. He couldn't tell me exactly who this "person" was but told me this "person" would be know to the whole world in due time. It was stated that he couldn't tell me the "person's" identity right now to protect the "person's" safety, etc. The guy also was clearly "in too deep" to be saved and telling me something along the lines of "if you had been in contact with this 'person' then you would know better and I have been in contact, blah, blah, blah...that kind of enlightment, blah, blah, blah..."

My final warning to the guy was that Satan can appear as an angel of light and angels (fallen or otherwise) can make themselves appear to be human....the Bible says some have entertained angels and not even realized.

I don't to this day know what "person" was the inspiration for this guy writing his book but it was so evil it made my blood run cold and no doubt in my mind at all that this guy was in literal / physical fellowship with demons and it was that fellowship that was driving his "gospel" that he sought out to share.

Always been pretty clear to me that UFO's, the ancient gods, etc were simply demons misleading people with false signs and wonders.

I find it interest that some will likely use UFO's to explain away the rapture when it happens.

My heart is so heavy already for those that will be left behind, like most of my family. It all makes good sense, Jack.
Looking up ^

Sheldon, I have to agree with you completely! I think it's significant that in previous generations if you asked someone if they believed in aliens, they would've looked at you like you had lobsters crawling out of your ears! But now...everyone has at least an opinion about it!
My great-grandfather, great-grandmother, and aunts and uncles are/were absolutely convinced that they witnessed a UFO land in a field and open up, then close up and bolt away with out any noise. I don't know what they saw, but there is no doubt in their minds(or their eyes as they describe it) as to what they saw! I really wonder where all this deception is leading!
Just think, the Bible's "strong delusion" hasn't even kicked in yet, but I think we are starting to see the beginning of it. Try telling someone something they don't want to hear, and see what happens!

God bless! Keep looking up!

I also thought this was interesting, for what it is worth;
maybe nothing.

"The worship of Quetzalcoatl sometimes included human sacrifices, and they believed that the surest way to enter heaven was to commit suicide.'

Sounds a little like Islam?

This is answering questions that I have wanted answered for a long time. It does make sense. Thak you Jack.
Many years ago, I met a woman who was very active in ministries, though she was not in ministry herself then, (don't know about now, though) I felt evil from her. I wondered at how the ones who kept her with them could justify her presence. I at no time ever let her know my feelings. I won't give much detail, she was one of the ones who had tried to have my daughter and myself killed. Later she tried to kill us herself and again God delivered us.

Anyways,One day I found myself in a very small place with her, we were not alone, so she did not openly attack me, she turned and gazed into my eyes for like a split second. It gave me a terrible headache. It was like she had some kind of levitation she was using. It was strange. I prayed and got prayer, and God healed me.

The point of writing this is when she did that thing with her eyes, I asked the Lord, The Holy Spirit, "Who is she?"
The answer was "She is an antediluvian" which I looked up and it meant: before the flood.

One of the things the Lord said when He gave the Father's Covanant with the last days Church, "Satan and his seed shall be destroyed."
I beleived that meant as Jesus spoke to the Pharasees and said they followed their father, the devil. I thought that only meant non-believers, or those who know Jesus is Lord, and do not make Him Lord. But with that experience I wondered. Are there some of these creatures on earth now?

God Bless you all, and all those you love.

Sheldon,
Your comments are very interesting. Less than two years ago, I had a similar situation occur with a distant cousin who was visiting my parents' home. I knew he was involved to some degree with the eastern religion of Buddhism.

I had been praying for "an opening" with this cousin to share the gospel of Jesus with him. He was willing to hear the good news of Jesus, but he expected me to listen to his own brand of enlightenment! He did listen to the gospel of the Lord Jesus respectfully but then looked straight at me and said "I don't believe that."

After he discussed his affirmative beliefs regarding Buddha, he then launched into the Luciferian doctrine... stating his pity for Lucifer as the victim of God's plan for the purpose of elevating Jesus, Lucifer's brother.

As this cousin became more and more involved in this story, his voice and countenance changed! For the first time in my life, I was fearful of this cousin because suddenly, he was not the same person... it was as if another personality was inserting itself into him... an evil presence.

Jana

Jack--

I will make some CD's for you of the Gene Scott studies as there appears to be too much involved in giving links to these studies due to the size of the files, but Scott offers things at the university level that will give greater insight into the origins of the pyramids and also the Nephilim.

Studies of the pyramids involve both the smaller pyramids and a separate study of the great pyramid.

Not so weird to get into Atlantis, UFO's, Stars, Demonology and deeper insights into Genesis.

Better to make CD's then to spend time compressing and working between Windows and Macintosh.

"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man (Luke 17:26..)

What things are coming upon the earth? UFo's and their occupants? The Great Deception?

"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, THEY SHALL MINGLE THEMSELVES WITH THE SEED OF MEN but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." Dan. 2:43

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil IN THE HEAVENLY REALMS." Ephesians 6:12.

It will also be as in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. What was the evil in these two cities? Antichrist is to be the personage of Satan. Is he incarnate or a mutant hybrid who comes to earth imitating the second advent of Christ pretending to be Christ? (This is close to Scientology and Mormonism).

Keep looking up....
YSIC Connie

Jack

Great subject! Great field to searching out the Lords mind on the ‘ Sons of God ‘ – standing or fallen ones.
Its quite gutsy from you to open this Pandora Box, which most Christian (at least most of those I know) shy away to even just discussing it. I have never been in a church in anyone of the 13 countries I lived that has ever mentioned Nephilims or preached on their origin. Has anyone else?
It’s a sort of taboo subjects, particular when you ask how it is possible for angels, who are according to the Bible sexless, to be the progenitors of the Nephilims.
Yes, I believe it is, because we know from God’s word that Lot was visited by Angels who had bodies of men, apparently sexually so attractive to the perverts of this time that they lusted after them to rape them. So that means to me Angels can take on the body of men, feel, talk, walk even eat (as in the situation when an Angel walked with Abraham)
In Genesis 6 we read:- "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." (Genesis 6:2)
That tells me a lot about the character and intellectual capacity of these watchers. (Most likely, when they saw the daughters of man that they are beautiful and handsome they watched our women for some time to chose the ones they want and can take in ‘marriage ‘)
Firstly they were only attracted to our women because of their ‘looks’, no mention of love or compassion or anything noble in their motives. Just lust with the desire to pollute our bloodlines completely to boycott God’s plan to bring forth Jesus from the ‘unpolluted’ seed of Adam. Latest scientific researches have proven that the genetic make-up of a bloodline is passed on through the male not as long believed by females.
So that would have made Satan almost successful in his plan to corrupt all unpolluted genetic material in mankind because Angels as we all know are male according to the Bible.
Thanks Noah to keep yourself clean and perfect.
Secondly they just ‘took them’, ‘which they chose’. Sounds like a forced arranged marriage if not abductions with the intent to rape. This is also reported by many of those who claim being abducted by aliens or should we call them demons and watchers, watching mankind to find someone they can pollute? (3% of the population in the US claim abductions by aliens).
Eminent ufologists came to the conclusion after studying and listening to 100’s of abducted victims (or better volunteers) that there is considerable evidence that the motive behind the abductions is to manipulate (genetically engineered) our bloodlines again by creating a new generation of demonic hybrids like the Nephilims.

According to 1st Enoch the sons of God teamed-up in a group of 200 like-minded watchers with Semyaz as the leader, knowing exactly of the horrendous and incomprehensible magnitude of depravity and great sin they consciously wanted to commit under an oath.

Relative extract for 1st Enoch:-

"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them and desired them; and they said to one another, 'Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.' And Semyaz, being their leader, said unto them,’ I fear that perhaps you will not consent that this deed should be done, and I alone will become (responsible) for this great sin.' But they all responded to him, 'Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.' Then they all swore together and bound one another by (the curse) and they were altogether two hundred;" - 1 Enoch 6:1-7

Thirdly, if Angels have no reproductive organs it would be no great deal for them to ‘create ‘ angelic hybrids or clones of hybrids, clones of man or animals, which may also explain the origin of centaurs as they had all the scientific knowledge, which we claim today as ‘ours ‘.
Legends has it that Enoch, knowing of the impending judgment by God (flood) received this knowledge and preserved it on or hiding it in pillars of marble and special wood both withstanding any fire or flood. That may explain where the builders of the pyramids had their knowledge from.
After all we know for now only all in part but we can confidently look forward to know in full when we are face to face with the Lord himself.
I am actually quite curious about the full truth of the above story and cannot wait to hear from God himself.

I still think it interesting that the Islamic "Mahdi" is hiding in a well and will be released at the end times and come forth to make war against the nations.
The "Fallen Angels" appear to be in the same well!
Amadenijad wants to create the war that will release them.

Nowhere is scripture does it say that angles do not have reproductive organs, they were just forbidden to use them and not having a sex drive, fallen angels lusted and had their eyes opened like Adam and Eve to see what other uses the plumbing was for. Angels are male and no way would God pemit males rim shooting each other, but obedient angels do not lust and do not have a sex drive, just need to study to see that scripture never says that they do not have the plumbing for it.

WOW! Can I say it again? WOW! I am catching up on my OLs and I am blown away! I feel that I am learning so much and this totally explains so many things! Thanks Jack!

My questions is why are so many people these days so afraid of fantasy fiction which depict stories about these figures? Obviously they come from somewhere and writing fiction about them is no more wrong than writing fiction about modern day figures. I truly believe that people fear what they don't know and it says something about people like Enoch and Noah that they were so highly esteemed by God that he took Enoch and saved Noah.

IT kind of makes me wonder if Hillary or George Soros are one of these? Hmmm! Worth pondering?

I can't wait to be in heaven and for God to pass on all this knowledge that we have only a glimpse of now.

Elise Rabold
Army Wife

Lou is correct! Nowhere in the bible is it written that Angels have no reproductive organs. But neither is there said anything about that they have!

Therefore I used the word ‘IF’, like saying in the event or in ‘case ‘ they have no reproductive organs ….it would still be possible to create angelic hybrids by applying their own knowledge, science and technology they had to do so.

The point I tried to make is this, that angels according to the bible as sexless beings created by God have no need to reproduce themselves, because they have already immortal bodies. Only mortal beings like humans or animals need to reproduce themselves to continue to exist as a race and beings.

True is that Angels have always been addressed as ‘Sir’ and appeared as male beings but that means not that they have to be physically like a man. Angels have the ability to appear as a man, still they are not man, they are still Angels.

Hence, it is logic to assume that Angels ‘most likely’ need not to have reproductive organs. Why should they also have if God has created them in the first place as immortals? To have sex with immortals? Surely not. That would be absurd to conclude and contrary to Gods own plan.

I hope that clarifies what I tried to say, namely that either way was possible that Angels could have fathered the Nephilims by way of physical intercourse or by way of artificial or even spiritual insemination if not genetically engineered or by cloning.

Remember we will never know in full – just in part – for time being.

With God’s love and greetings from Down Under

MANFRED

This is part of why Jack's ongoing study has value to answer these questions, why it is also worth the time to download some of Gene Scott's teaching that approaches things from a different direction but remaining biblical, nothing at all creepy about the study of angels and demons and all that existed before creation, then moving forward to a point when time began, all the way to the end of it.

Will find that these answers are obtainable, but not without study and searching for them to have a good premise for arriving at conclusions.

I certainly understand what was clarified, thinking that preparation for study is vital and the purpose so things stay on track and also helping some not to get freaked out when getting into areas that deal with how it was before the beginning, things that Ezekiel touches on regarding the Mountain of God that existed before time existed, have to get oriented to it all or will most definitely "freak out", especially when getting into the subject of demons who once had bodies but nothing like we can identify with, thinking that even the pigs Jesus allowed some to move into were gorgeous by comparison, but they knew Jesus before in His pre-incarnate state as He is again.

I highly recommend a book to help in giving balance to these studies titled Eternity in Their Hearts:
Startling Evidence of Belief in the One True God in Hundreds of Cultures Throughout the World.
Former Papua New Guinea missionary Don Richardson believes that as God has prepared the gospel for all peoples, so he has prepared all peoples for the gospel. This book examines the examples Richardson has found around the globe of people whose cultural background had prepared them to openly receive the gospel, and suggests that all people have a sense of God's existence. The title of the book comes from Ecclesiastes 3:11 which suggests the same thing, that God has 'placed eternity' in people's hearts, so that they will seek Him.

http://www.amazon.com/Eternity-Their-Hearts-Startling-Throughout/dp/0830709258
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Concerning the creatures who knew Jesus before creation:
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. the more complete meaning of the trembling of demons is phrisso which means to bristle or their hair standing on end, gives a clue of the kind of bodies they once had, some who will be turned loose from the pit in their bodies which makes you think that all the ancient sculptures and such of grotesque creatures resemble more like what their bodies were like rather than just being out of man's imagination.
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Just as an aside, I was notified a couple of weeks ago by Mike that someone who said they were not a member but wanted to email me, was from the Land Down Under and think this may have been you regarding a very old posting.

It is not beyond reason that the Ben-'elohiym had that ability to manipulate DNA and mess with the gene pool if not able to reproduce any other way to produce a hybrid unlike the Holy Spirit but still much in the same way of exerting creative energy, the word "overshadowed" relating to the cloud that remained with the children of Israel through the wilderness, being the presence of God, will find that the ben-elohiym also had this ability and how the earth became wasted, messing with lizards and all that to produce reptilian creatures, something of myth that I believe has its beginning in fact and distorted over time.

May find an article of interest by Ray Stedman who holds with the belief that the fallen angels left the bodies they were in and took up residence in human bodies, altering the DNA and chromosomes and all that just as LSD produces mutations in people, demonic possession does likewise in producing the same kind of people as in Sodom and Gomorrah. This view has a great deal of merit, why Revelation speaks out against drugs.
http://www.ldolphin.org/RCSgenesis/0325.html
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My own testimony may have some merit here in having been equated with the biblical "Legion", something that bothered me for years to try and figure out since a believer can not be demon possessed, but realizing that this happened in childhood, awesome warfare did not happen until I became a christian and one spirit or the other had to go and it was not going to be the Holy spirit, but the paranormal / supernatural things are documented if any of the first hand eyewitnesses ever want to talk about it.

http://www.box.net/shared/kkbdvt0wsk
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I had a lot of attention from the media and in religious circles in being the real deal, but is my belief that this kind of thing will be common place rather than newsworthy in the very near future when people will have those abilities given by demonic sources which also include healing, we will see it in this generation.

The Latter Rain Movement teaches about the Manifest Sons of God which may be prophetic but not the kind of sons of God they think, Joel's Army may be a mass of demonically possessed people who have perverted the gospel.

Noticed the greeting from Down Under, may find a printed interview interesting I had with an old war corespondent a few years back from 2UE Drive time radio

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/powell.htm
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